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Ep. 038

Public Lands Grazing: Death & Destruction | Jon Marvel | Western Watersheds Project | Ep. 038

Derrick Jensen - @ Dawn Paley

Jon Marvel - Founder of Western Watersheds Project

Release Date: August 28th, 2020

In this episode, I speak with Jon Marvel, public lands activist and the founder of Western Watersheds Project. We talk about his background, his first experiences on public lands in Idaho, what public lands mean to him, looking at ecosystems with fresh eyes, the vast destruction from intensive livestock grazing on public lands, a vision for public lands without the cows, multiple use mandates, the Bundy clan, the contentious founding of the Idaho Watersheds Project (pre Western Watersheds Project), buying grazing leases for conservation purposes, why some conservation groups don’t address the issue of public lands grazing, reflecting back on his time with Western Watersheds, legislative buyout programs, grazing as the most ubiquitous use of public lands and the reasons why grazing destroys ecosystems. 

Impacts from cows on public lands in Idaho @ Western Watersheds Project

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Wilderness Podcast is a passion project about wilderness and wild places, where I am attempting to tell the story of wilderness both past and present. In this program you will find a heavy focus on public lands and our National Wilderness Preservation System, but it also seeks to expand the scope of wilderness beyond distant landscapes.


The idea for this podcast came about after observing a growing public fascination and interest in the subject of wilderness. As more people become familiar with our public lands and wild places, the importance of meaningful, thought-provoking discourse has never been so crucial. This podcast is for everybody; from the enthusiast, to the wilderness newbie and everyone else in between. Most episodes are done interview style, where I talk with interest area experts about the history, ethics, people, wildlife and places that embody and epitomize wilderness ideals.


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